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RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - fire_caves - 13-10-2022

(13-10-2022, 05:38)Gieferg napisał(a): wątpliwości tyczące się ST II

ST2 zdaje się jest z tak naprawdę z 2016 roku, kiedy wypuszczono Directors Cut na BD. Z tego co czytałem różnica w obrazie w stosunku do wydań z 2009 roku zasadzała się głównie w kolorystyce.

RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - Gieferg - 14-10-2022

Co do TMP to niestety Director's Edition (skusiłem się na BD), pociągnęli DNRem i wyszło "ślisko", w porównaniu z remasterem wersji kinowej słabiutko.
Not cool.

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RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - fire_caves - 22-10-2022

Recenzja TMP Director's edition na blu-ray.com

This Director's Edition adds a few minutes of runtime, rearranges some things, and adds new visuals and special effects. There are no wholesale narrative changes, just what might be labeled in 2022 "quality of life" improvements, mostly. There has been some significant tinkering, and the Fein, Matessino, and Dochterman commentary track goes into detail about many of the changes, though a number of them are simply left for the viewer to explore for themselves. Clearly, there has been a significant amount of work done on the film around the edges to make this the most "complete" version of the film. It plays very well and looks terrific, still maintaining, mostly, the original aesthetic rather than introducing jarring new material that doesn't fit with the film. Some of the obvious improvements come at the beginning: the starfield over the black screen during the overture, the transition from white to gold for the opening titles, and the Golden Gate bridge establishing shot introducing Star Fleet headquarters. There are some editing rearrangements and tinkered shots to give a new look to some of the shots, scenes, and sequences as well. Whether the "Director's Edition" is the "definitive edition" will be up for debate, but it is certainly a worthwhile watch for fans of the film.

Paramount brings this Director's Edition UHD presentation of Star Trek: The Motion Picture to the UHD format with a brand-new restoration. The picture is vastly different from the 2021 Blu-ray. Both share in common 2160p resolution and Dolby Vision color grading, but the differences largely stop there.

This resolution certainly brings out some of the seams in the effects work. Look at the top left of the screen, the edge of the space dock, at the 17:20 mark; there's a glitch that sees the edge pulsating quite severely to the point of distraction, taking away from the spectacle that is meant to be center screen. Granted, this is present on the previous UHD, too, but somehow it stands out more severely here (I had never noticed it before). There's some shimmering here and there, among other artifacts, as well. Most VFX shots, however, are spectacular. There's a very fine sense of natural presence, sharpness, filmic resonance, and immersion.

However, grain is finer here, as it is on the companion Blu-ray, compared to the 2021 releases. This is discussed in detail in the supplements. Listen to the Fein, Matessino, and Dochterman commentary track at the 1:06:40 mark (as well as the "Return to Tomorrow" supplement) where the conversation begins about the grain removal and re-introduction because it was "distracting." It detracted from the experience, they say. Whatever level of grain removal and re-introduction was performed does not mean the movie looks scrubbed down. Is the grain as organic, is the film as pure as it might have been? No, but there is certainly nothing that looks overtly smoothed out.

The result is a picture that is clearly less grainy but not aggressively so, and certainly not to the image's total detriment. It's not intense, and it is not aggressive, but the grainer 2021 UHD holds to a more stable and naturally bent cinematic image, while this one pushes in that direction but can't quite get there. There are any number of shots that look handsomely filmic and pure, capturing solid textures and natural looking film definition. Still, the results of the de-graining processes are evident, even if the end result is nowhere near a visual atrocity. The picture looks quite good much of the time, but it could have looked better all of the time.

The Dolby Vision color grading is the highlight here. There is a more aggressive warmth on the older release that is absent here. Skin tones are more naturally inclined, and whites are more purely brilliant (look at Kirk in the shuttle at the 16:31 mark, and the corresponding shot on the old UHD at the 15:37 mark, for a great example). The new white balance and brilliance are the highlights here. White uniforms are impressively bright and bold, while the other more subdued uniform colors are equally flattering and true. Bright electrical elements, the V'Ger light beam probe that moves through the Enterprise bridge, and other assorted tonal elements offer amplified intensity and clarity over the previous UHD. Black levels depth is excellent here, again very naturally occurring without pushing into crush. The Dolby Vision grading here is spectacular.

Ultimately, I enjoyed the texture on the old release and the Dolby vision grading on this release.

The new Dolby Atmos track is a work of art. The overture score is beautifully rendered with precise instrumentals and seamless clarity. Full stage engagement is in evidence, but the track maintains a natural balance where surrounds or overheads never dominate or take away from the primary front end. Spacing is wide and immersive; this is truly the stuff of audio engineering bliss. The same holds for the iconic Jerry Goldsmith score (and all music throughout the film). It's just incredible. The free-flowing space, the precision clarity, the perfectly balanced low end...it's a Trekkie's, and audiophile's, dream come true. The track's excellence extends well beyond music. Action effects, such as when the Klingon ships are engulfed and destroyed by V'Ger in the opening minutes, offer startlingly deep content, supported by exceptional movement and directionality. The track integrates little points of sound here and there, always in superb balance and discrete placement all around the listener. Everything presents just as it should, and this sounds like a track that was mixed yesterday, not decades ago. To be sure, there has been some work performed on the track, but the source elements are dynamic and beautifully presented. Dialogue, of course, never wavers. This is one of the finest retro Atmos tracks out there.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Trek-The-Motion-Picture-4K-Blu-ray/294699/#Review

RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - Mierzwiak - 22-10-2022

Wystarczyłby link Wink

RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - Gieferg - 22-10-2022

Cytat:However, grain is finer here, as it is on the companion Blu-ray, compared to the 2021 releases. This is discussed in detail in the supplements. Listen to the Fein, Matessino, and Dochterman commentary track at the 1:06:40 mark (as well as the "Return to Tomorrow" supplement) where the conversation begins about the grain removal and re-introduction because it was "distracting." It detracted from the experience, they say.

To co odwalili w nowym wydaniu "dectracted from the experience" zdecydowanie bardziej więc niech spadają na drzewo z tym bzdurzeniem.

Zachowam jako ciekawostkę i może przy okazji przygotowywania kopii zapasowej pokombinuję z dodatkową warstwą ziarna, ale na chwilę obecną wersja kinowa (która podchodzi mi też bardziej pod względem kolorystyki) pozostanie obowiązującą w moim przypadku (oczywiście mówię o wydaniach BD).

RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - misfit - 23-10-2022

Nie jest nowiną, że wśród osób decyzyjnych zdarzają się Janusze (czy może bardziej Piotry Wink

) - całe szczęście, że jest ich coraz mniej.

RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - Gieferg - 26-10-2022

Szybki fix dla TMP DC:

RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - prodarek - 26-10-2022

To może sampla udostępnij jak się naprodukowałeś Smile

RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - Gieferg - 26-10-2022

Może później. Nagrałem to i wywaliłem z dysku, teraz na warsztacie już wersja kinowa.

RE: Star Trek - seriale i filmy - dyskusja o wydaniach - sebas - 04-01-2023

Na amazon.co.uk pojawiła się data premiery:
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds
na blu-ray. Pytanie, czy jest ona aktualna? Zavvi podaje aktualnie grudzień 2023, chociaż jakiś miesiąc temu, przez kilka dni widziałem również marzec 2023.
To chyba najlepiej oceniany z serial z tego uniwersum na przestrzeni kliku ostatnich lat. Warto by było, żeby w końcu wydali go na BD, skoro ostatni Picard i Discovery już są.